Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:13:24 -48000
To: "Rick D*****"
From: Darwin Bedford <>

Hi Rick,

There is objective morality or ethics simply because we are social animals.   If dictatorial power does not tell us what's right and wrong then general consensus (after much debate) determines what's right and wrong.

Darwin Bedford

At 07:40 PM 1/10/2003 -0600, you wrote:
This is my logic.  Tell me where you disagree:
If there is no God, then there is no objective morality or ethics.  Who's to say what's right and wrong?
If there's no objective right and wrong, then none of us can take the position that "There couldn't be a loving God because He wouldn't permit so much evil in the world." since evil, in an objective sense, doesn't exist.