Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:38:26 -48000
To: "E*****, Nicholas P*****"
From: Darwin Bedford <>
Subject: Re: From one atheist to another

Dear Nicholas,

You are guilty of transference, see .  If "negative gravitational energy" is the true essence of the universe then where did it come from--was it always there?

Darwin Bedford

At 01:51 AM 2/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:
        I just want to say that I am about as hardcore an atheist as you will ever find.  I have debated with many christians and atheist and others, and overall I find that there are four groups.  The atheists that don't believe in a god because of a true scientific basis, the atheist that don't believe in a god because of an abstract philosophic doctrine or prejudice against religion, the religious persons who believe in a god because they have a weak character, and the religious persons who have chosen religion as the safest of all options.
        Out of those I would definitely consider myself to be an atheist based on science, having read numerous books on the subject written by credible authors e.g. Stephen Hawking. You however would rather create abstract conjectures off of the top of your head and claim them as scientifically viable.  I respect this almost as much as I respect whoever first decided that it must be gods that create rain and thunder.  Your creation theory is simply ludicrous, if your going to attribute the universe to natural phenomenon you need a better background in physics.  If your going to say that it was already there, then don't try to piss off the christians because your explanation is just as unreasonable as theirs.
        Let's try a bit of plausible reasoning, here is Stephen Hawking's theory.  "Quantum mechanics allows matter to be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle pairs. And where did the energy come from to create this matter? The answer is that it was borrowed from the gravitational energy of the universe.  The universe has an enormous debt of negative gravitational energy, which exactly balances the positive energy of the matter. See, wasn't that refreshing to have something like "The total amount of squeeze force in the universe is finite because it is proportionate to the true essence of the universe which itself is finite in amount. "
        I just want to end by saying that when I piss christians off, it is because they realize that my arguments hold water better than theirs.  It's much more satisfying than turning into the very thing you hate just to feel superior for a fleeting moment.

E*****, Nicholas P*****
Van******** University