Hey Darwin,

Interesting website, cudos for pointing the discrepancies that people

ignore while fooling themselves about religion. Perhaps we could extend

this lesson into the realm of spirituality.

Just read a few articles on your site including "Eternity Is A Fuçk Of A

Long Time".

Thats why there is evolution, an obvious scientific certainty. What is

uncertain is the cause, the impetus, the innovation, is it unconscious

or maybe conscious?

Transcend and include, is one way to look at evolution, spirit-or

transcendant consciousness- is always enfolding or evolving if you

prefer. So there is always something to learn in the multiverse, perhaps

an eternities worth.  It is a little arrogant to assume that there is

only one form of life, or aspect of life or organic based beings in one

dimension.  There are theories to indicate other dimensions, like say

string theory. Whose to say from our perspective, that we can rule out

any other type of consciousness or awareness or life, existing in these

dimensions. There may well not be, but we are in no position to assume.

Point is that we, from our perspective of rational reductionism, cannot

disprove any other form of existence, or other beings, etc. It simply is

not in the purview of science, of monological objectification and

reductionism.

Eventually we have found we reduce matter to wave/particle duality which

is the mindfuçk for objective science, because it not telling us what we

expected to find.

At its basic level things are energy, that exceed the speed of light in

our dimension when it comes to objectifying it, and pinning it down in

the monological manner that science operates. Empirical science only

studies things it can't talk to. It does not include subjective reality

in the equation. This is not to denigrate science, it is a valid and

useful tool to study the biosphere and the sphysiosphere. But it can't

reduce the mind to the brain. Which comes first the thought or the

chemical reaction? It appears to go both ways. Who is gonna prove that

consciousness isn't an evolution of energy-that that energy  may exists

independantly of the  biophysical electrochemical body. Maybe that body

is an enfolding of that energetic consciousness or spirit or whatever

you want to call it, and a conscious evolutional transcendance is

possible maybe even imperative.

There is a bit from Richard Feynman called "Fooling Yourself" I think,

and he very rationally talked about how science has to work from basic

principles always checking and etc, not taking anything for granted and

he gave several examples in science how it happens. He then talked about

how he went into an isolation chamber for several hours and had some

hallucinations.

Well, the first thing is, yea, humans tend to have chicken shit

aberrations of the mind, that we call hallucinations.  Ok, so lets not

fool ourselves and call it game over.  I can't tear apart quantum

physics by spending six hours studying it, I have to do the injunction,

which takes years, and see for myself, and then compare notes with

others who have done the work, if we can't help but come to the same

conclusions then yea, we can say something with relative certainty about

Quantum physics.

Many people have spent their lifetimes studying the spiritual realm

through very hard work and study. Lets see if theres is any evidence

based on comparison and study of whats been called the "great chain of

being"-reaching from matter to body to mind and to what next and from

whence? 

When these people, prophets, meditators, whatever you want to call them,

come together to discuss what they percieve and interpret - or we take

apart their work left to us through history - and compare notes we find

that they all have something in common to say about certain aspects of

consciousness.  They are able to percieve some type of reality which

indicates something far greater than the sum or reduction of our parts.

Maybe evolution of consciousness, trancends the physiosphere. Who knows

what correlations we may find from spiritual adepts who have done the

work, learned the injunction, and compared notes.

There is currently a schism between empirical science and it methodology

and spirituality, or conscious transcendance if you prefer, very little

work being done in this realm from qualified scientists, who could meta

analyze these types of documented experiences coupled with psi

experimentation of which there is a great body of work, and a lot of it

defies debunking, adn derserves study.  Carl Sagan in his book "The

Demon Haunted World", admitted that number generator experiments showed

cause and effect and definitelfy deserved further study."The Conscious

Universe" Dean Radin would be a start to look into. Something else you

might check out is the work of Ian Stevenson, "Where Reincarnation And

Biology Intersect", it is some very solid work involving case sudies of

reincarnation. No BS, just solid documentation from a scientist trained

in the method. If you care to look at a sort of comprehensive overview

of the science of consciousness from a spiritual and methodological

perspective you might check out Ken Wilber, who has laid out a huge body

of work trying to integrate these two seemingly separate realms of

science and spirituality and teh consciousness that intersects them. The

scientific method and spirituality have been falsely disassociated

instead of differentiated, quite a difference adn a loss to mankind.

Obviously the "good book" and other religions has been through the

institutional filter, most of it is BS, written for the sake of power

relations more than anything, maybe even 99% of it. But there is

something to learn from these religions. We could assume that these

"prophets" were full of shit or inventions to control people etc, but

then we would be just "fooling ourselves" wouldn't we. We would have to

do the work and see for ourselves in a methodical and dialogical manner

and then compare notes. No other way to prove or disprove it. We may

have "a fuçk of a long time" to figure it out. Maybe not.

Cheers to ya.