Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:27:15 -0800
Subject: C'mon man!
To: <darwin@atheists.net>

Wow.  I am once again blown away.  Gimme a break.  Wait... I get it.  You
want to free our minds from this terrible doctrine right?  Yah, free us to
believe what you are telling us to believe.  Don't you get that you are
doing exactly what you are all mad about?  What is the difference between
our believing in God and you believing in nothing - it takes the same amount
of faith.  Instead of defining your argument on negation, try putting up a
site on your premises and truths about your beliefs.  I think it would be
pretty hard to find some solid proofs there.  I am a Chistian, and I wasn't
forced to be.  If society is forcing us to do anything, you can bet that
this is to just make money and buy stuff.  To pursue desire satisfaction.
Materialism is rampant and don't try and tell me that this is a Christian
quality.  "Some people are prepared to forget that religion was ever
embraced."  Whats your point?  Guess what, as long as there has been
religion (forever) there have pretty much been a crowd of people who oppose
it.  Nothing new here.  That makes you think about something else - what
else has been around for this long?  Sure, there are countless different
sizes and shapes, but when you get down to it, the idea of God has been
around for ever.  If it was false it would have been abandoned long ago.
This isn't even something you are taught.  People inately feel that there is
something bigger than themselves out there.  Think about this, how can you
think and reason?  That is pretty tough to explain with the big bang.
Consciousness cannot come out of something that has no consciousness (ameno
acids). 
    I'm not even going to try to counter all of your points, and I'm not
going to take any shots at you or get really pissed off.  That's not right
either.  It just looks to me like you have a lot of questions, I'm sure you
want certainty as much as anyone else.  However, your article is blatently
biased, you obviously have done no more resarch on this than actually
finding the verses you wish to use - out of context.  IF you want to
actually educate yourself a little, don't stew over this by yourself with
you apparent bitterness, and read books like Plato's Republic for a start,
and then St. Augustine's Confessions - books 1-9 specifically (St. Augustine
was a devout aetheist for half of his life).  I really do not intend to be
condesending or a huge jerk even though I may have came across that way.  I
sincerely hope you try to look for the answers to your questions instead of
assuming what you know is the truth.  (I know you could say the same for me)

Descartes says that to not make a mistake, you can't let your judgment
exceed your reasoning, letting your will exceed your knowledge.

Thanks for your time.